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		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 22:22:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The big 6000 litre tank is nearly in position behind the ciderhouse. Chris and Ness who live a few doors away have a fencing business. They kindly offered to take the tank from the garden and transport it to the &#8230; <a href="http://www.ukcider.co.uk/ciderbyrosie/reality-dawns/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
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The big 6000 litre tank is nearly in position behind the ciderhouse.<br />
Chris and Ness who live a few doors away have a fencing business. They<br />
kindly offered to take the tank from the garden and transport it to<br />
the back of our place using their large tractor. It was quite an<br />
amusing little scene, but one that needed a lot of skill. The first<br />
part of the journey was along the village road to reach the gate to<br />
the field behind our house. The tank was carried on the tractor&#8217;s<br />
front loader whose forks had been fitted with special extension tubes.<br />
The tank, being 2 m wide by 2.3 m high, completely masked any view of<br />
the road ahead, which meant that Chris was driving the tractor blind.<br />
Ness walked on one side of the tractor and I walked on the other, each<br />
of us making reassuring, though possibly confusing, hand signals to<br />
Chris as the big black beasty nosed its way along the road. Luckily<br />
there was no other traffic at the time. Crossing the field was much<br />
less demanding but another display of skill was needed on reaching the<br />
fence. We have a 6 ft wooden panel fence along the back. Chris found<br />
that the tractor could not lift the tank quite high enough to clear<br />
it. What happened next was a treat to behold! He slid the tank off the<br />
forks on to the grass. It was now time for Ness to demonstrate her<br />
tractor driving skills. Chris sat on one of the forks and she lifted<br />
him up with it and drove the tractor forward until the fork was<br />
alongside but just above the tank. Chris then climbed along the fork<br />
and lashed the lifting eye on the top of the tank to the end of the<br />
fork. He climbed down and Ness then lifted the tank off the ground as<br />
high as it would go. It still did not clear the fence. I began to<br />
think it was a lost cause but Chris climbed up on the tractor and<br />
tilted the forks, effectively lifting the tank just a little higher.<br />
On the the next attempt the tank just cleared the fence and was then<br />
easily lowered to the ground on the other side</p>
<p>Over the last two weeks a concrete base has been made for the tank to<br />
sit on. The tank will have a built in advantage, due to the ground<br />
behind the cider house being about 3 ft above the floor level inside<br />
the tank room. This height difference plus the the height of the<br />
concrete base for the big new tank means that it will be possible to<br />
gravity feed from it to the 6 IBC tanks in the tank room, after the<br />
first stage of fermentation and blending.</p>
<p>On seeing the big tank nearly in its place behind the ciderhouse I&#8217;ve<br />
had several onslaughts of my favourite daydream &#8211; to jump the 7000<br />
barrier and grow the business.  Several times now I&#8217;ve paced out the<br />
area available, and could easily imagine another 4 or even 5 of the<br />
6000 litre monsters sitting there. Now that would look a proper job,<br />
an impressive sight indeed, like a mini Westons! Well I can tell you<br />
emphatically, that dream faded away for ever this week. Circumstances<br />
have forced me to work at the rate that would be required by an annual<br />
output of 18,000 litres. It has been very tiring and time consuming.<br />
I&#8217;ve shipped 38  x  20 litre boxes over the last week, delivering by<br />
day and often packaging well into the night. I could never keep that<br />
up on my own, especially not with all the book keeping needed by the<br />
liability for excise duty.</p>
<p>Reality has dawned!  But how did this happen? Warm weather created a<br />
surge in demand from the pubs. I did some extra marketing and gained<br />
four more outlets. Silly really, but I can&#8217;t help myself doing it.<br />
Then in parallel with this there have been several good orders for<br />
festivals. It seems to have all come at once, but it has had the good<br />
effect of bringing me down to earth. No more daydreams, I will stick<br />
to my 7000 litres, it is a job enough for an old un !</p>
<p>There is only 2000 litres of draught left for this year, so I could<br />
even have a rest period before pressing starts, or at least find some<br />
to make improvements to the equipment.</p>
<p>It was good here today! This morning I acted as collection point for<br />
ciders destined for the Gillingham ( Dorset) Football Club Cider<br />
Festival, to be held on 27 th June ( see wiki ). Last week Barry left<br />
3 of his B-in-Bs for it here. Today I had the pleasure of meeting<br />
Martin Inwood, a craft cidermaker from Bere Regis who had also brought his cider<br />
for the festival. Patrick, the Festival organiser, had arranged to<br />
collect these ciders, together with my own, and was already here when<br />
Martin arrived. It was a sunny morning so it was only natural to have<br />
a little cider tasting in the garden! Martin had anticipated this I<br />
think, as he arrived, bottle in hand. Our first toast to fine weather<br />
was with his latest &#8216;Lulworth Skipper&#8217;, a fine clear golden cider that<br />
had been matured in an oak wine barrel. It was excellent, crisp and<br />
pleasantly oaked. It confirmed that I do like oaked cider after all,<br />
if like Martin&#8217;s, the oak is fairly subtle. I can now put the early<br />
bad experience with whisky barrels behind me and move on. I&#8217;m getting<br />
to like wine barrel cider!  Just as the Monkton Wyld &#8216;Wider&#8217; delighted<br />
me at Powerstock, Hecks Port Wine has become a firm personal favourite.</p>
<p>I must get one or two ex wine barrels from somewhere before the<br />
autumn. Anybody know where?</p>
<p>Rose</p>

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		<title>Re: [ukcider] Re: Blending keeved cider</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 01:16:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Rose</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#8217;ve been mulling over the pearls of wisdom from David and Gary with regard to the errors in SG measurement due to temperature variation and the phenomenom of stratification. When making dry cider these effects are of no great concern. &#8230; <a href="http://www.ukcider.co.uk/ciderbyrosie/re-ukcider-re-blending-keeved-cider-2/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been mulling over the pearls of wisdom from David and Gary with<br />
regard to the errors in SG measurement due to temperature variation<br />
and the phenomenom of stratification. When making dry cider these<br />
effects are of no great concern. Apart from the all important<br />
measurement of SG prior to fermentation, thereafter the hydrometer<br />
really only serves as an indicator to confirm that fermentation is<br />
complete. This is quite a different matter when it comes to keeved<br />
cider. The SG reading and its rate of fall, is crucial at bottling<br />
time. One needs to be able to determine that the yeast is becoming<br />
starved and that the SG is &#8216;bottoming out&#8217;. Only then can bottling be<br />
safely carried out. At SGs above 1010, one has to feel confident that<br />
there will not be the potential for more than the small amount of<br />
fermentation needed to produce a sparkle. I&#8217;m all the more conscious<br />
of this now having seen the bottle figures in Andrew&#8217;s book. The most<br />
a champagne bottle can stand is 1010, should the fermentation decide<br />
to go to fully dry.</p>
<p>At this time of the year I&#8217;m watching the SGs of the keeved ciders<br />
almost day by day, in order to establish when it will be safe to<br />
bottle. We discussed this here last year and a useful rule of thumb<br />
came to light. If I&#8217;ve remembered it incorrectly, please somebody put<br />
me right, but I believe that if a one point drop of SG takes a period<br />
of 10 days or more, it can be taken as an indication that the SG is<br />
bottoming out and that it is safe to bottle.</p>
<p>The implication is that for keeving it is important to be able to read<br />
SG to within a degree and therefore reading errors do need to be<br />
considered. I&#8217;ve looked in vain for some figures. David please<br />
enlighten me. Say for example the ambient temp is 10 C, how is the<br />
hydrometer reading affected? Regarding errors due to stratification,<br />
that is something that I never would have even thought about. Thank<br />
you Gary, it is good to be aware of it. I will have a gentle stir<br />
before measuring in future, if notable changes in temperature have<br />
occurred.</p>
<p>Continuing the experimental 50/50 blending of the keeved Porters and<br />
Yarlington, I&#8217;ve progressed from the demijohn and now have a 120 litre<br />
tub of it. Like the demijohn, this is also holding at 1012.  As the<br />
two ciders were well mixed during their blending, I needn&#8217;t worry<br />
about stratification. Since the weather has stayed the same for two<br />
weeks, around 15 C every day, there is no difference between<br />
hydrometer readings due to temperature. Another week of similar<br />
readings and perhaps I will feel confident enough to bottle!</p>
<p>I&#8217;m looking forward to bottling because I&#8217;m dying to try out Barry&#8217;s<br />
corker, that he has kindly lent me.</p>
<p>Rose.</p>
<p>On 19 Mar 2009, at 11:11, Gary Awdey wrote:</p>
<p>&gt; On Tuesday, March 17, 2009, David Llewellyn wrote:</p>
<p>&gt;&gt; Apart from the accuracy problem of actually determining small<br />
&gt;&gt; differences while reading along a scale, if the<br />
&gt;&gt; temperature of the cider was much lower at the time of the first<br />
&gt;&gt; reading (ie the cold weather we had weeks ago), it might have accounted for an<br />
&gt;&gt; apparent small change in SG, unless you corrected the readings to 20 degrees<br />
&gt;&gt; C for example. The lower the temperature of the liquid, the higher the SG<br />
&gt;&gt; reading will be, so you have to correct to a standard temperature. Sorry if<br />
&gt;&gt; you have already taken this into account!!<br />
&gt;<br />
&gt; Another cautionary note (with more apologies if you&#8217;ve already taken<br />
&gt; this into account) is the effect of stratification.  In the past I&#8217;ve<br />
&gt; occasionally noted odd readings that go counter to what would be<br />
&gt; predicted by the temperature density effect David mentions.  When it is warmer<br />
&gt; you would expect density (and gravity readings) to be lower.  What I&#8217;ve<br />
&gt; found is that sometimes the warmer weather makes fermentation of keeved<br />
&gt; ciders more active with the result that it is de-stratified. Measurement after<br />
&gt; racking is also occasionally higher than measurement before (I generally take<br />
&gt; samples from near the top).  Heavier cider, richer in sugar, is<br />
&gt; mixed up from the bottom when fermentation is more active.  This phenomenon is<br />
&gt; mentioned in several winemaking books so evidently it is not<br />
&gt; particularly unusual.  When an accurate gravity reading of the entire batch is<br />
&gt; needed (which is admittedly not very often) I make sure the cider is<br />
&gt; adequately mixed by stirring or sparging with carbon dioxide gas (taking care<br />
&gt; not to introduce oxygen at the same time).  However I don&#8217;t attempt to<br />
&gt; destratify cider that is still sitting on top of deposits that might be<br />
&gt; disturbed.  I usually mix blended ciders thoroughly before measuring gravity.<br />
&gt; Otherwise measurement tends to be skewed toward the low side (and presumably the<br />
&gt; opposite would be true if samples were obtained from the bottom of the<br />
&gt; vessel).<br />
&gt;<br />
&gt; Similarly, if two keeved ciders are mixed and fermentation is very<br />
&gt; slow (as one would hope it would be) then you may start with a well mixed<br />
&gt; blend but see measured gravity drop unexpectedly quickly as stratification<br />
&gt; occurs. This would seem to be more likely as a cause of possible measurement<br />
&gt; error if you see a notable drop in gravity without seeing a corresponding<br />
&gt; amount of gas escaping at the airlock.<br />
&gt;<br />
&gt; Gary Awdey<br />
&gt; Eden, New York</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[The other day Barry and I were talking about blending keeved ciders. He told me that by so doing, he had achieved a pleasing blend that has settled out at around 1010. I&#8217;ve since been wondering if anyone else who &#8230; <a href="http://www.ukcider.co.uk/ciderbyrosie/blending-keeved-cider/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The other day Barry and I were talking about blending keeved ciders.<br />
He told me that by so doing, he had achieved a pleasing blend that has<br />
settled out at around 1010. I&#8217;ve since been wondering if anyone else<br />
who has done this, or even perhaps regularly does so, would care to<br />
comment.</p>
<p>I have blended juices after pressing that were then successfully<br />
keeved, but I&#8217;ve not blended ciders after keeving. This year I would<br />
like to, because of the considerable disparity between my batches.<br />
This puts me in a dilemma as I&#8217;m not sure what the outcome may be.</p>
<p>If I were to set a GCE question on the subject it would go something<br />
like this:</p>
<p>Two keeved ciders whose fermentations are essentially stabilised, one<br />
at SG 1.03 and the other at SG 1.01 are blended together in equal<br />
quantities. What is the resultant SG?</p>
<p>The answer would seem to be 1.02, but is it? I am wondering if the<br />
less perfectly keeved cider would act disproportionately on the high<br />
level of sugar remaining in the well keeved cider and thus drag the<br />
resultant SG down to its own level?</p>
<p>Rose.</p>
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